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		<title>By: Brian Valentine</title>
		<link>http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Valentine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but but but ... Michael Tobis seems like such a &lt;em&gt;nice guy&lt;/em&gt;.  He&#039;s usually just so ... so &lt;em&gt;receptive&lt;/em&gt; to viewpoints other than his own. 
He hardly EVER resorts to &quot;name-calling&quot; or &quot;character assault&quot;

- unless, of course, someone happens to suggest that Al Gore is a &quot;charlatan&quot; or a &quot;fearmonger trying to make himself wealthy at other people&#039;s expense and misery by resorting to lies&quot; 

- or that man-made-global warming is a &quot;fraud.&quot;  

Then Mr Tobis will &lt;em&gt;trash you all over his and anybody else&#039;s website he knows about for as long as his temper will hold on &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but but but &#8230; Michael Tobis seems like such a <em>nice guy</em>.  He&#8217;s usually just so &#8230; so <em>receptive</em> to viewpoints other than his own. <br />
He hardly EVER resorts to &#8220;name-calling&#8221; or &#8220;character assault&#8221;</p>
<p>- unless, of course, someone happens to suggest that Al Gore is a &#8220;charlatan&#8221; or a &#8220;fearmonger trying to make himself wealthy at other people&#8217;s expense and misery by resorting to lies&#8221; </p>
<p>- or that man-made-global warming is a &#8220;fraud.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Then Mr Tobis will <em>trash you all over his and anybody else&#8217;s website he knows about for as long as his temper will hold on </em></p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Beck = Stalin: Assassination of a Climate Scientist</title>
		<link>http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Beck = Stalin: Assassination of a Climate Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That last comment from Pielke was March 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM. At 12:31 pm March 2, Keith Kloor posted a copy of much of Tobis&#8217; comments with expressions of increduility. Who is Keith Kloor? I&#8217;d certainly never heard of him [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That last comment from Pielke was March 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM. At 12:31 pm March 2, Keith Kloor posted a copy of much of Tobis&#8217; comments with expressions of increduility. Who is Keith Kloor? I&#8217;d certainly never heard of him [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm ....

&quot;
Hmmm, give far more ammo to political enemies. How could that be, when this is a quiet, if passionate, conversation in a pro-climate-consensus corner the blogosphere, where Michael has been trying to give the benefit of the doubt and get to understanding what motivates Roger Pielke Jr? What does Pielke mean by this? Michael doesn&#039;t even know he has any &quot;political enemies&quot;!
Now the chronology gets a little interesting. That last comment from Pielke was March 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM. At 12:31 pm March 2, &lt;a href=&quot;../../../../about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keith Kloor&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted a copy of much of Tobis&#039; comments&lt;/a&gt; with expressions of increduility. Who is Keith Kloor? I&#039;d certainly never heard of him before. Apparently he is a journalist who is currently a fellow in Environmental Journalism at the University of Colorado. The same place Pielke works. And about half the comments on his 1-month-old blog seem to be from one Roger Pielke Jr. Interesting.&quot;

From:  http://www.no-one-owns-me.dailykos.com/story/2009/3/7/225548/4097/896/705913

Hmmm.  Worth checking, is &quot;about half&quot; accurate as of the time it was said?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm &#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8221;<br />
Hmmm, give far more ammo to political enemies. How could that be, when this is a quiet, if passionate, conversation in a pro-climate-consensus corner the blogosphere, where Michael has been trying to give the benefit of the doubt and get to understanding what motivates Roger Pielke Jr? What does Pielke mean by this? Michael doesn&#8217;t even know he has any &#8220;political enemies&#8221;!<br />
Now the chronology gets a little interesting. That last comment from Pielke was March 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM. At 12:31 pm March 2, <a href="../../../../about/" rel="nofollow">Keith Kloor</a> <a href="http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/" rel="nofollow">posted a copy of much of Tobis&#8217; comments</a> with expressions of increduility. Who is Keith Kloor? I&#8217;d certainly never heard of him before. Apparently he is a journalist who is currently a fellow in Environmental Journalism at the University of Colorado. The same place Pielke works. And about half the comments on his 1-month-old blog seem to be from one Roger Pielke Jr. Interesting.&#8221;</p>
<p>From:  <a href="http://www.no-one-owns-me.dailykos.com/story/2009/3/7/225548/4097/896/705913" rel="nofollow">http://www.no-one-owns-me.dailykos.com/story/2009/3/7/225548/4097/896/705913</a></p>
<p>Hmmm.  Worth checking, is &#8220;about half&#8221; accurate as of the time it was said?</p>
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		<title>By: Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; Who Am I?</title>
		<link>http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; Who Am I?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My criticism of alarmist, over-the-top rhetoric by environmentalists made its first appearance in this blog several weeks ago, when I started taking potshots at Joe Romm. (See here and here.) Soon after that, Michael Tobis uttered his unfortunate comments during an exchange with Roger Pielke, Jr, on his blog, which I noted here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My criticism of alarmist, over-the-top rhetoric by environmentalists made its first appearance in this blog several weeks ago, when I started taking potshots at Joe Romm. (See here and here.) Soon after that, Michael Tobis uttered his unfortunate comments during an exchange with Roger Pielke, Jr, on his blog, which I noted here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian G Valentine</title>
		<link>http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian G Valentine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wait till you hear Tobis when he has something &quot;extreme&quot; to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wait till you hear Tobis when he has something &#8220;extreme&#8221; to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Pielke Jr&#8217;s Amazing Conversation with a Climate Scientist &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Pielke Jr&#8217;s Amazing Conversation with a Climate Scientist &#171; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    Keith Kloor, a journalist, summarizes the exchange I had this week with that climate scientist: http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/   What are we to make of Michael Tobis, a University of Texas climate scientist,  who on his blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    Keith Kloor, a journalist, summarizes the exchange I had this week with that climate scientist: <a href="http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/" rel="nofollow">http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/03/02/climate-gutterball/</a>   What are we to make of Michael Tobis, a University of Texas climate scientist,  who on his blog [...]</p>
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