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		<title>Reading the Senate&#8217;s Storm Clouds</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith Kloor</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[cap and and trade]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[climate change]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#8217;t need a weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing in the Senate on cap-and-trade legislation. Yesterday, after several revealing votes showed just how tough it will be to pass a meaningful climate change bill in Congress,  Olympia Snowe, the Republican moderate from Maine, said this to Politico: It’s a complicated issue [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need a weatherman to see <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20744.html" target="_blank">which way the wind is blowing </a>in the Senate on cap-and-trade legislation.</p>
<p>Yesterday, after several revealing votes showed just how tough it will be to pass a meaningful climate change bill in Congress,  Olympia Snowe, the Republican moderate from Maine, said <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20744.html" target="_blank">this</a> to Politico:</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s a complicated issue to tackle at a time when the economy is weak.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just how complicated? An <a href="http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&amp;session=1&amp;vote=00117" target="_blank">amendment introduced</a> by  Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) would</p>
<blockquote><p>require that such [climate change] legislation does not increase electricity or gasoline prices.</p></blockquote>
<p>As Politico reports, &#8220;Thune’s measure won 89-8, even though it appeared to contradict the whole purpose of most cap-and trade schemes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Appeared to&#8221; is putting it mildly. Roger Pielke, Jr., over at Prometheus, <a href="http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/the-thune-amendment-5096" target="_blank">accurately captures</a> the vote&#8217;s meaning:</p>
<blockquote><p>What is this? Climate change legislation cannot increase electricity or gasoline prices? The entire purpose of cap and trade is in fact to increase the costs of carbon-emitting sources of energy, which dominate US energy consumption. The Thune Amendment thus undercuts the entire purpose of cap and trade.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note the disparity of interpretations offered in the wake of yesterday&#8217;s congressional debate and votes  on cap-and-trade legislation. Grist&#8217;s <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2009/4/1/13491/95591" target="_blank">take </a>is that everything was a kabuki dance, &#8220;more political posturing than anything else, and in the end&#8230;won&#8217;t have much bearing on what a cap-and-trade plan in the Senate looks like.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps then <a href="http://www.capitolhillreports.com/033109.htm" target="_blank">this statement</a> by California democrat Barbara Boxer is a more accurate reading of what that plan will look like?</p>
<blockquote><p>Any kind of cap-and-trade system that comes forward will not raise energy and gas prices.</p></blockquote>
<p>Roger Pielke, Jr., takes Boxer at her word and predicts:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Thune Amendment effectively kills cap and trade as a mechanism for reducing emissions. I have little doubt that the legislation will go forward, and it likely will pass in some form and do many things. Its just that reducing emissions won’t be among them. Cap and trade is dead but the charade will go on.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is Grist underplaying the significance of yesterday&#8217;s climate change manuevering in the Senate? Is Pielke Jr. too quick to declare the time of death for meaningful legislation?</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ll know soon enough who&#8217;s got the better read.</p>
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		<title>Really?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith Kloor</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Ben Stein]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[cap and and trade]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[carbon tax]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[In case you missed this, Ben Stein favors a carbon tax. Seems like the California resident and conservative economist is having &#8220;trouble breathing on too many days.&#8221; But his argument is more against the unpredictability of cap and trade. That, and putting the same masters of the universe back in the driver&#8217;s seat: Haven&#8217;t we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you missed <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/business/22every.html?_r=1&amp;scp=2&amp;sq=ben stein&amp;st=cse" target="_blank">this</a>, Ben Stein favors a carbon tax. Seems like the California resident and conservative economist is having &#8220;trouble breathing on too many days.&#8221;</p>
<p>But his argument is more against the unpredictability of cap and trade. That, and putting the same masters of the universe back in the driver&#8217;s seat:</p>
<blockquote><p>Haven&#8217;t we just has a big lesson in what happens when we put traders ahead of producers and consumers? Have we forgotten that lesson already?</p></blockquote>
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